Re: Untouchables [Andreas J., please read]
| From: | Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> |
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| Date: | Wednesday, December 3, 2003, 23:32 |
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RANT ALERT!
At 22:34 3.12.2003, Christophe Grandsire wrote:
>Unfortunately, being oneself the target of discrimination doesn't seem to
>prevent people from discriminating themselves.
Yes. I've met that in disabled people too.
> Look at the Dutch Pim Fortuyn, homosexual and yet definitely racist
>(and disgusting. He once said that the only things in favour of Moroccans
>are their sons. If you want to give a bad image of homosexuals, you shouldn't
>say anything else. Even *I* find it disgusting).
To me that remark smacks of paedophilia, which by
POV of this straight guy is something different from
homosexuality. IMNSHO the principle is that I don't
give a damn what consenting adults do with each other.
After all it's only a matter of POV and degree.
Most people in my parents' generation consider oral
sex a perversion, while most people in my own generation
consider it perfectly normal. (However killing and maiming
seems to indicate that something is not right, apart from
sexual orientation), but when some participant is not adult
or not consenting then I see reason for alarm. (Except when
all the participants are consenting non-adults of the same age,
though I know some disagree on that point.)
> I even met homosexuals who discriminate bisexuals.
What's the idea? Do they discriminate against straights
as well, or only bisexuals, and under what pretext?
>Seeing people who are so often discriminated for their sexual
>orientation discriminate other people *for their sexual orientation*
>can make you feel rather hopeless...
Well I have seen and heard physically disabled people
disabled people discriminate against mentally retarded
people (which is in a way understandable, because they
fear that the "abled" people will lump them together[*],
though of course utterly unacceptable on reflection),
and even between different diagnoses of physical disability!
Moreover most physically disabled people don't even
reflect that those with chronical mental illnesses like
schizophrenia are fellow disabled people, but are just as
prejudiced as the next "abled" person. On the whole
there are reasons I shun the disabled peoples' subculture.
(Which, I'll grant, is easier than avoiding gay culture
if you are gay.)
[*] I have myself often been treated like an idiot
because of the way I speak. But who cares -- I know
mentally retarded people who look normal and speak
normally for minutes before you notice anything's
wrong with them. After all most people who are
not (allegedly 'normal') idiots understand that I'm
not retarded as soon as they listen to what I say
rather than to how I say it. Of course they have no
right to treat mentally retarded people as idiots
either; everybody has a right to be treated decently.
END OF RANT.
/BP 8^)
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