Re: OT: Phonetics (IPA)

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From: "Tristan" <kesuari@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Phonetics (IPA)


> On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 05:04, Mark J. Reed wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 11:05:12AM -0700, Stone Gordonssen wrote:
> > > >For what it's worth, I pronounce "claw" as [klA:].
> > >
> > > And for me, it's [kl7:].
> >
> > Well, in many, perhaps most non-American, native English dialects
> > -aw is realized as [O] and distinguished from -ah ([a] or [A]).
> > So it's not surprising that you have a higher vowel than I do in "claw".
> > However, [7] seems pretty far away from [A].  I mean, it's two whole
> > steps up, depending on how you count! :)
>
> Well, I say [klo:]. And in a word like 'all', the vowel has not only
> approached it but gone above and begins to approach a backer form of
> [U].
>
> > > To my ear, [A] and [7] seem to sound the same.
> >
> > Really?  Wow.  They sound nothing alike to me.  [7] is just a long
> > [o] with unrounded lips; it doesn't occur in my speech naturally,
> > but to me it sounds virtually indistinguishable from [U] (which is
> > the vowel in my pronunciation of "book", "put", etc.).  [A], on the
> > other hand, is the vowel in of "Bock" and "pot", not to mention
> > the noise the dentist asks you to make to keep your tongue
> > out of his or her way.  Well, I guess that would technically be
> > [A:], with maybe a few more colons added in for good measure. :)
>
> All back unrounded vowels unless they're really high sound close enough
> to [A] to me. Really high ones (basically [M]) I can hear fine, though.
Hmm...[7], [A], and [a] sound similar to me, and so do [M] and [V].   Odd,
that.

> And I went to the dentist last Friday and she never said say 'ah'. She
> says open your mouth wide or big.
>
> --
> Tristan.
>