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Re: Esthetics

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Saturday, January 29, 2005, 12:32
B. Garcia wrote:

> This came up a bit recently, but i'd like to know more from others. > > How do you all determine the esthetics of your conlangs? Do you have a > formal system of rules governing combinations of vowels, consonants, > dipthongs, etc. etc.? Or do you just go by "feel"?
I don't much go by rules, except in the case of what-if langs, where what comes out of the mix is much determined by what goes in. With Sohlob I had the general idea of a Persian-sounding phonology, then somebody suggested vowel harmony, so in a way it got influenced by Turkic too, although Sohlob VH is rather different from Turkic! At the initial stage the aesthetic of a conlang is almost all about phonology -- though very much phonotaxis and not only inventory. One change that IMHO much changed the aesthetic of Sohlob to the better was the introduction of /K/. Middle Persian had something written |hr| descending from Old Iranian */Tr/, and so I let the original Sohlob -- which was called Sahrab! -- have /r_0/, but then I found that I had difficulties distinguishing [r_0] from [S], so I changed /r_0/ into /K/, which is one of my favorite sounds. This goes to illustrate that my conlangs take on an aesthetic of their own often quite different from my original intention. Basically if it "feels" right I will include something new -- whether it goes with or against my "macro-aesthetic". I do want historical depth in my conlangs, so a big part of the aesthetic of Sohlob has been to devise a proto-language, which should have a working aesthetic in its own right!, and then develop the sound-changes to bridge the gap between the proto-phonology and the daughter-phonology, the changes also preferably having an aesthetic coherence, so that in the course of the work these three "tiers" also influence each other. It is rule-bound in the sense that I want naturalism in all three tiers, but to achieve that I go mostly on feel. One aspect of historical-depth-conlanging is that if you can't decide what features to include or reject you can always develop a new dialect. The backside of this is of course the risk to end up with an unmanageable dialect proliferation. One example of how dialect development can lead to unforseen aesthetic developents is when someone thought that my |tj, dj, sj| transliterations were alveopalatals rather than palatoalveolars and I accepted that. Suddenly the problem of distinguishing [r_0] and [S] was gone, since I have no problem distinguishing [r_0] and [s\]!, so I reintroduced /r_0/ into the Kidilib dialect of Sohlob. In many ways Kidilib phonology is closer to my innate aesthetic and less Persianate than Classical Sohlob, with the /K/~/r_0/ distinction, voiceless nasals and a proliferation of /i/. This all goes on feel, but is restricted by my knowledge of universals and what is naturalistic changes. This doesn't mean that I never break those constraints, but I want to have an explanation when I do. -- /BP 8^)> -- Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se Solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant! (Tacitus)

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