Re: Uusisuom language (Online lesson)

I thought I  had it,  but I'm lost again. So /u/ and /y/ in uusisuom are
the reverse  of Finnish /u/ and /y/?

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Daniel44 wrote:

> Thanks for helping me try to clear this up.
>
> 'y' is pronounced like 'oo' in 'bOOt'. It is perhaps more rounded than the
> Finnish version. Just make the lips into a perfectly round shape and make
> the 'oo' sound. The german 'u' is a fair approximation.
>
> 'u' is pronounced like the 'oo' in 'tOOk'. This would seem to correspond
> with the 'y' sound in Finnish.
>
> Apologies for any misunderstanding and many thanks. Lesson Three will be
> available online tomorrow and I will post it here when it is ready.
>
> Daniel
> daniel44@btinternet.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jesse stephen bangs" <jaspax@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Uusisuom language (Online lesson)
>
>
> Frank George Valoczy sikayal:
>
> > >
> > > u is pronounced like the 'oo' sound in the word 'tOOk' while 'y' is
> > > pronounced like the 'oo' sound in 'bOOt'. The mouth is far more rounded
> for
> > > the latter and the two sounds are quite distinct and different.
> >
> > Now I am very confused...
> >
> > I guess to ask it as simply as possible: are or are not /u/ and /y/
> > pronounced as in Finnish?
>
> They are not, according to the information given, but there seems to be
> some confusion.  Let's clarify this:
>
> There are three phonetic values in question here, whose IPA symbols are
> [y], [u], and [U].  These vowels correspond to the following sounds in the
> following languages:
>
> [y]: Finnish {y}, French {u} in {lune}, German {ü} (u-umlaut)
> [u]: Finnish {u}, English {oo} in {boot}, German {u}
> [U]: English vowel in took, could, hood, etc.
>
> Now, with which of these are the Uusonian {u} and {y} associated?
>
>
> Jesse S. Bangs jaspax@u.washington.edu
> "It is of the new things that men tire--of fashions and proposals and
> improvements and change.  It is the old things that startle and
> intoxicate.  It is the old things that are young."
> -G.K. Chesterton _The Napoleon of Notting Hill_
> Conlanger code: CLI> l%p+++ cS:R:N:H a++ y n18d:6 X+++ A-- E-- L-- N2.5
> Idmp k++ ia-- p+ m++ o+++ P d++ b++ Yivríndil
>
-------ferko
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