Re: TRANS: flutes in PIE

raccoon wrote:

>> Here's another example of Aredos (I'm sure Padraic will provide us with
>> another example of Tallarian if we ask nicely. What does Tallarian mean,
>> BTW?). This is one of many Aredos proverbs:
>> ne ommis cuí caenans habent, caenatores senti "Not all who have flutes are
>> flautists".
In Tokana:

   Tun na         yite           paimo          athpamota
paia
   not the.ERG every(one) pipe-COMIT make.music-cannot-DEP pipe-INST
   "Not all (those) with pipes can make music with pipes"

That seems the most natural way to translate it.  However, I'm a bit
unclear on the meaning.  If the proverb is supposed to be about identity
(as opposed to ability), then a better translation might be:

   Tun na         yite           paimo          hotia           athpaka paia
   not the.ERG every(one) pipe-COMIT is-NEG-DEP player   pipe-INST
   "Not all (those) with pipes are players (of) pipes"

The first translation connotes:  "Merely possessing pipes is no guarantee
that you'll be able to play them."  The second one connotes:  "Merely
possessing pipes is no guarantee that you'll have the right to call yourself
a piper."

Matt.