Re: Questions, Taalen verbal system (long)

 --- Pavel Iosad <pavel_iosad@...> wrote: > Hello,
> > A question on mutation:
>
> > If  soft mutation looks like this: p,t,c,b,d,g >
> b,d,g,m,n,ñ (or /N/);
> f,/T/,/X/>v,/D/,/G/
> > And breathed like this: p,t,c,b,d,g >
> f,/T/,/X/,v,/D/,/G/; m>v; s>sh,
> sh>h
>
> > What would happen to l and lh (the famous welsh
> ll)?
>
> > (soft - from old nasals; breathed  from
> intervocalic position,stop
> clusters, and -s)
>
> Hmm, if it runs like this, I find it a bit strange
> (especially the nT >
> D part).
>
> Based on the rationale alone, I'd suggest _l_ change
> into respectively
> an unrounded [w] (what's the X-SAMPA?) and _lh_
> respectively, and _lh_
> into _l_ and its own geminated form.
>
bac has mutations of this sort ( except they're
nasalisation and lenition ), and |l| /l/ mutates into
|ln| /L\/ and |lh| [0]  ( that's a zero, not a capital
oh ). in 'correct' speech, |lh| is pronounced [M\] (
velar approx, what i think you're referring to ), but
this isn't usual at the beginning of a syllable. at
the end of a syllable it can become a (semi)vowel, [M]
and form a diphthong. |gelh| can therefore be
pronounced [ge] or [geM], depending on register ( [ge]
in conversation, [geM] when reading poetry, &c )

|r| on the other hand has the series |rn| /r/ ( trill
) |r| /4/ ( flap ) |rh| /r\/ ( approx ) ; s has the
series |sn| /z/, |s| /s/, |sh| /h/ ; all others are
pretty regular ( all x-sampa ) :

N k x
N g G
J tS S
J dZ Z
N t T
N d D
M p f
M b v
J j C ( ? cee cedilla )
mw w W/hw

bn

=====
bnathyuw | landan | arR
stamp the sunshine out | angelfish
your tears came like anaesthesia | phèdre

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