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Re: How to Make Chicken Cacciatore (was: phonetics by guesswork)

From:Muke Tever <hotblack@...>
Date:Friday, July 23, 2004, 18:00
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:20:26 -0400, J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
wrote:
> I think that this might be the difference between allophones and > archiphonemes (a term I didn't know before): archiphonemes are a notion > that tries to reconciliate the different phonemic systems of the > different dialects of a language, saving thus the unity of the language.
Specifically an 'archiphoneme' refers to places where the underlying phoneme can't be pinned down due to neutralization. (This could be within a dialect as well as cross-dialectally.) For example an archiphoneme covers certain nasals before certain consonants in English: some might say it is difficult to prove whether the [n] in <bend> is actually an /n/ underlyingly[1]; less radically, it is difficult to determine what phoneme the <m> (usually a labiodental nasal) in <symphony> stands for--is it /n/ (Greek syn+phonia, cf. Spanish sinfonia) or /m/ (as per the spelling, which may be as influenced by the following <p> than anyone's perception of the sound) ? For a better explanation see <http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=archiphoneme>. *Muke! [1] I think. I get the impression that's been argued, but it may not be an idea anyone holds. -- http://frath.net/ (my website) http://kohath.livejournal.com/ http://kohath.deviantart.com/ http://wiki.frath.net/ (conlangs and concultures)

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