Re: TRANS: common expressions.

From: Gerald Koenig wrote:

> I'm just going to try a few that have to do with space/time tense: I
> put the # sign next to them. This is a very practical exercise, trying
> to better the elusive and concise idiomatic english metaphors. Thanks,
Well, I should do somethink like this with my languages... after translat=
ing
the whole part seams too large.

> Carlos.
> -------------------
> The list:
>
[...]
> #Where is the bathroom?
>
> Kuol vis dixanut?
>
> Kuol is partly modeled on "cual". In
> "?Cual es la fecha de hoy?"
> we can say that there is a VARIABLE TYPE
> "fecha" [date] and  an [abstract] OBJECT, "hoy" [day].
Cannot the {-ne} suffix replace the {kuol} question word or {-ne} shouldn=
't
be used with vector particles?

In this case:

=BFvisne dixanut?

> kuol::- What is the value of the VARIABLE TYPE for
> [abstract] OBJECT.
>
> maul::- The value of the VARIABLE_TYPE for [abstract]
> OBJECT is:
>
> vis::-a space type of vector. [Vit is a time-type vector.]
>
> ?Kuol vis dixanut? translates as:
>
> ?What is the value of the SPACE_VECTOR for
> BATHPLACE?
> ie, Where is the bathplace?
> ANS:
> Maul [vis] dixanut <xa pasju lesi>.
> The value of the space-vector for "bathplace" is:
> "should move straight ahead a short distance";
> in English, "The bathroom is straight ahead a short ways"
Well.  I see the parallel {kuol}/{maul}.  How whould it be said without
{maul}?
*  dixanut je xa pasju lesi
(?)

> It could also be <0,6j,0>, for example; ie 6 meters ahead of the
> speaker. This can be shortened to 6 ju:
>
> Maul dixanut 6j.
>
> The value of "spacevector" for "bathroom" is 6 meters straight ahead.
> It is known from context that space-vector is the type of variable,
> so "vis" is implicit.
>
> <xa pasju lesi> is considered a vector in the same sense that the
> vector <pi, epsilon, phi>, (constants), would be. Pi is used in place
> of 3.1416.. Pi points to a procedure, an algorithm, for computing a
> number. It is an effective procedure, ie pi, e, phi are computable. In
> the same sense, a coherent set of directions is computable and will
> yield a position vector which can be expressed numerically. Any
> effective algorithm can be used as a vector construct substituting for
> numbers.
>
> I found many other ways to say, "Where is ...", in VXT.  Kuol and maul
> are also very useful with other variable types such as TIME, NAME,
> CARDINAL, ORDINAL, and others:
>
> ?Kuol NOM uvu?
> What is the value of NAME for you?
> What is your name?
> Maol NOM Jerry.
> Maol Jerry.
> The value of NAME for me is JERRY.
> ?Kuol VIT Los Angeles?
> What is the value of the time-vector for Los Angeles?
> Maol 1:04pm PST Los Angeles.
> The value for the time-vector for Los Angeles is 1:04pm PST.
> It is 1:04 pst in la.
> [ros] Maol vit 10^87 atik Los Angeles.
> [maybe irrealis] It is 10^87 time-atoms since the big bang in
> Los Angeles.
-- Carlos Th