Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?

Philip Newton skrev:
> 2008/8/24 Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>:
>> On 2008-08-24 Philip Newton wrote:
>>> Probably "δσκ" in Rhaetian, which
>>> "should be"
>>> [dS] as written, but is conventionally
>>>      pronounced [dZ] by those who can do so
>>>      (though I'm sure some will say [tS]
>>>      instead).
>> I guess σκ is [S] then.
>
> Yes, quite right.
>
>> How come it is not spelled σχ, assuming
>> [X] is χ?
>
> Sound changes turned word-initial *[sk] into
> [S], and so it made (or seemed to make) sense to
> spell [S] with σκ everywhere. (Exceptions are
> [Sp] and [St] which are σπ and στ,
> respectively.)
>
> And χ does indeed represent [X] (and vice-
> versa), but I'm not sure what that has to do
> with it.
Well, German, as well as Swiss German when
written, writes [S] as _sch_ in most cases even
though historically *sk did not shift to **sX in
the High German consonant shift but became [S] --
perhaps by way of [sX] in a separate shift much
later, not to mention the many consonant clusters
where Middle High German /s_a/, originally spelled
_s_became [S], spelled _sch_ -- _Hirsch_ < MHG
_Hirs_ , _Schnee, Schlange, schmal_ and most every
other MHG /s_a/ + C cluster, and _schreiben_ < MHG
_scrîben_). The Greek-alphabet analog of this
spelling convention would as far as i can tell be
σχ, even if the Old and Middle Rhaetian spelling
were σκ, just as OHG/MHG wrote _sc/sk_ but NHG
writes _sch_.

Also, how would you spell loanwords with /sk/? I
reckon there would be tons of such from
Classical/Koiné Greek.

/BP 8^)>
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Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se
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